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on spending cuts in order to raise the debt ceiling and key senate republican says mr. obama doesn't get it. >> you have a kid that keeps a credit card loaded and a person that would tear up the credit card but you look at the credit. republicans are willing to pay for past bill but this is about the future bill. the president misses the point here. >> reporter: today, house democratic whip steny hoyer said new revenue must accompany spending cuts. for day, the final passage is expected in the house in the next hour or so. bret? >> bret: mike, we will follow that on fox. thank you. ominous note now from one of the world's top credit agencies. fitch rating says the u.s. could lose the top credit rating if there is a delay in raising the debt limit. we'll find out with the senior political analyst brit hume thinks about this. good evening. >> good evening. the warning from the fitch rating agency today is certainly will become talking point for president and democrats who claim the republicans are using the debt ceiling recklessly as leverage for spending cuts. worry over the debt ceiling is
, as you see. we've got them moving higher today. david: the battle over the debt ceiling and paying the bills that d.c. is racking up continues. representative jerry nadler, happens to be my representative, he is looking to stop future fights. he has introduced legislation to end the debt ceiling debate by getting rid of the debt ceiling all together. but would that give too much power to the president? that is the argument. that is the debate. we'll take you and jerry nadler there coming up. liz: germany's central bank pulling some of its gold out of new york and paris. we have somebody who says you need to look at this because it could turn out to be good news for gold prices. he also says we could see 1900 an ounce by the end of the year. find out why and how you could play this one. david: we all love gold. first before we get to all those stories we'll tell you what drove the markets with today's data download. it is a mixed day on wall street. dow settling lower while the nasdaq and the s&p posting gains the dow snapping a five-day winning streak. technology and energy were to
can avoid the debt ceiling showdown, get rid of the debt ceiling altogether. tracy: and grounded, and other emergency landing for boeing's dreamliners. planned as the top two airlines stopped planes from flying altogether. lori: on a post-it note just isn't enough. employee who allegedly stole $400,000 worth of copy machine toner and resold it on the black market. you have to hear it to believe it. tracy: top of the hour. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. we can't seem to find our footing. nicole: interestingly enough we are not too far off of the unchanged line but we are up six of the last eight trading weeks. hovering around five year highs. as you noted early on, talk a lot about boeing weighing on the dow jones industrials today play with one issue after another. the s&p 500 down one point at 1471. it is also earning season. how they are faring. they came out obviously earnings-per-share eating earnings slightly miss. a new high for dell. and all those names are lower. continue to follow earnings here all week on fox business network. we have gen
escalates the fight on the w economy. is the debt ceiling negotiable? your thoughts? send us a tweet or post your comment on facebook. you can also send us an e-mail. president obama held his last official news conference of the first term yesterday in the east room of the white house. here's what he had to say on the debt ceiling debate. [video clip] >> republicans and congress have two choices. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect ransomed in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people well-being is not a leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states is not a bargaining chip. they had better choose quickly, because time is running short. the last time republicans in congress even flirted with this idea, r. triple-a credit rating was downgraded for the first time in our mystery, our businesses created the few jobs in any month in nearly the past three years, and the whole fiasco added to the deficit. ho
obama on the debt ceiling said he will not negotiate while republicans "hold a gun to the head of the american people." this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. president obama declares the health of the american people is not a bargaining chip. the president warns against the prospect of what he called republicans holding the economy hostage. over the debt ceiling. it was the primary focus of the last news conference of his first term. we have fox team coverage. seep your political analyst brit hume will have analysis of that event. correspondent shannon bream tells us about another big topic today. gun control. we begin with white house correspondent wendell goler on the partisan tone over the debt. good evening, wendell. >> good evening. >> bret: the party that doesn't control the white house is rarely happy about raising the debt ceiling. >> reporter: recent years a genuine threat not to do so. >> raising the nation's debt ceiling, the president told reporters is a necessity caused by spending in the past. not something to trade with congress
the debt ceiling will have to be raised. we will get the read from mark murray and what's happening on both sides. secretary of state hillary clinton called the prime minister of algeria and a group claims they are holding a total of 41 hostages after occupying a natural gas complex. they were reportedly to punish algeria for allowing french jets to use the airspace in attacking a group linked to al qaeda. we will have more on the news, but seven americans reportedly being held hostage in algeria. we'll be right back. asional have constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues... with three strains of good bacteria. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your head? can curlers! tomato basil, potato with bacon... we've got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. looks like you're in a pickle. yeah. can you get me out of it ? just so happens i know a chap.
in the final news conference of the first term, the president took questions on the debt ceiling and the gun debate. first, on the rising debt ceiling, the president took direct aim at republicans accusing them of using the nation's credit rating as a, quote, bargaining chip. >> the republicans in congress had two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect our ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> and the debate over guns, one month after 26 children and adults were killed in newtown, and with the nra saying assault weapon ban would not pass congress, the president urged house members to, quote, examine their own conscience. >> the belief that we have to have stronger background checks, that we can do a much better job in terms of keeping these magazine clips with high capacity out of the hands of folks who shouldn't have them, an assault weapons ban that's mea
, january the 14th, and the president, as toure just satisfied, won't back down on the debt ceiling or on gun safety. >> what should we be doing to make sure that our children are safe? >> they're not going to be able to get an assault weapons ban through this congress. >> i see no need for bushmasters in the hands of an individual person who might be deranged. >> how about a clip? >> i think -- i don't think ultimately they're going to get that either. >> never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. on just guns alone will in the in the political reality we have today will not go anywhere. never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. >> what's wrong with universal background checks? >> we're wasting our time going in that direction when we should be talking about doing away with the gun-free zones. >> do you think you have enough support on capitol hill to keep an assault weapons ban from passing? >> i think right now we do. >> there is a step we can take that will save even one child from what happened in newtown, we should take that step. ♪ you really ought to know
separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills, and we are not a deadbeat nation. >> clearly house speaker john boehner thinks differently. he responded by saying, quote, the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >>> these pens are designed to be used only by one person, but an investigation discovered that many of them were used on multiple people. >>> are you in hawaii or going there anytime soon? surfers, beware. check out this video. it's a real-life jauss. two sharks were swimming dangerously close to the show. can you believe it? look at that. you could wade in and be bitten, eaten. last year there were a total of 11 shark attacks in hawaii. >> that's what i call dangerously close. >> oh, my goodness. >> so some people in the southeast waking up to the dual danger of flooding and ice. alexandra steele in the weather center. good morning. >> good morning, guys. each snow potentially for you around new york c
a new plan to eliminate the debt ceiling, claiming the gop is exploiting the issue for political gain. doug mckelway is live in washington with more on the democratic plan and the road ahead. hi, doug. >> reporter: hi, jenna. this democratic plan in a nutshell would basically do away with the statute that calls for the debt ceiling in the first place, allowing spending in effect to go up and up and up without the artificial cap that the debt ceiling is indeed. democrats are explaining this in a press conference right now as we speak, so we'll be learning a lot more about it as the day progresses. republicans obviously deeply opposed to this thing, fearful that democrats will indeed use it to allow spending to go up and up. here is senator john barrasso speaking on fox news this morning. >> we have a spending problem in this country. people all across the country know it. they know it in wyoming. families have to balance their budget every year. many states do. we do in wyoming. it is time for the senate and the house and the president to get serious about limiting our spending and spe
's going to start off talking about the debt ceiling. he'll call for republicans to raise it without a fight. but several gop members have already said the debt ceiling is going to be where they draw a line in the sand. >>> check out the first page of politico this morning. double trouble. house gop, eyes default, shutdown. and it talks about the very real possibility that house republican members want to see the government shut down or default if they don't get the cuts they want. >>> let me bring in "times" deputy bureau chief ed o'keefe. good morning to both of you. this is all just breaking now, but the president has said and he said it consistently. he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when
a statement on the debt ceiling. >> because the debt ceiling is the fight coming up next, as you know, brian, and everything the president would like to do at the start of that second term including new gun laws, immigration reform, energy. all those things will really be locked into place unless he can get some agreement on the debt, the president said he won't negotiate with congress about the debt ceiling, but we could be headed to another standoff, another kind of fiscal cliff similar to what we saw last summer unless that can be resolved. the president wants to get ahead of that, really put the responsibility on republicans in congress and make it clear he just doesn't want to budge. >> keep in mind the president will walk behind you any moment. there is a very thin line between leverage coming off an election and lame duck status, and the president has a robust agenda for this term number 2. >> it is, and the first year of second terms are the ones you have a shot as sitting president to have the most productive parts. but i want to go back and emphasize something david said, and that
to raise the debt ceiling, right? president obama warned he will not enter into another game of brinkmanship as he referred to it over the debt sealing with republicans. >> the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social security checks and veterans benefits will be delayed. investors around the world will ask if the united states of america is in fact a safe bet. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. martha: a lot of talk about the president's demeanor at that news conference yesterday. we'll get into that a little bit more coming up but for now does this really come down to an issue of raising the spending limit or defaulting on our credibility as the president has talked about. let's bring in stuart varney, host of "varney & company" on fox business network. so, stuart, you feel the way he is framing this is incorrect? >> yes. we're not going to default, period. we are not going to default. the default means that yo
, there is a debt ceiling vote. now you hear a lot of republicans making noises about backing down from the debt ceiling fight. it is interesting by the way, i know we're not here to talk about that. it is interesting how the conventional wisdom has shifted on that. >> jennifer: quickly too. >> so quickly. just another sign of the shifting sands. it all hinges on how public opinion turns. and you know, is the president going to go out on the stump? is he going to go out and barnstorm the country for his proposals? how much political capital is he going to put into it? if he really builds up public support for the proposals and public support grows and if they feel pressure, he'll bring a vote. >> >> jennifer: just to take you back to that -- not the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling issue that the republicans do seem to be going soft on, i do think one of the reasons why they went so soft is because major traditionally republican lobbying groups were advocating like the chamber of commerce came out strongly saying this is crazy. i'm wondering if there are other traditionally republican groups like
is regarding the debt ceiling why doesn't the president go ahead and implement article 14 of the constitution, and if the republicans want to take this to court, let's go. let's have this conversation. let's explain to the american people why you racked up two wars unpaid for, tax breaks for rich people unpaid for, but you don't want to pay the bills. >> stephanie: exactly. i'm not sure what the white house is -- even on guns -- even any kind of mention of what the president might do on guns they are already talking about impeachment. that's the times we're in. twenty nine minutes after the hour. right back on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ show, to be able to come away armed with the facts, and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them, you're put on this planet for something more. i want this show to have an impact beyond just informing. an impact that gets people to take action themselves. as a human being, that's really important. this is not j
the debt ceiling or put the u.s. economy st. at risk. it's tuesday, january 15th, 2013 and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning, everybody. welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. we've been watching the u.s. equity futures and at least at this point you can see they do look like they're indicated to open a little lower. right now, dow futures down by about 16 points below fair value. the s&p futures are about 2 points below fair value. we have some different nebs going on at the top of the screen than we do on that fair value board. we'll check on that, as well. >>> dell is said to be in talks with private companies in reports of a possible guyout. the journal says jpmorgan is involved in the negotiations. dell shares have been soaring near an eight-month high on first word of this news yesterday. you can see up about close to 2% to the premarket sales. 64 is the last dip. in other technology news, facebook is holing a press conference today. no word on what the big announcement will be. you've heard a lot of analy
. >> senator cruz, house republicans have taken a step back on this debt ceiling standoff. should it be raised. this is how "the new york times" described it over the weekend. i'll put it up on the screen and have you react to it. backing down from the hardline stance, house republicans said friday they would agree to lift the limit for three months with the requirement that both chambers of congress pass a budget in that time to clear the way for negotiations on long-term deficit reduction, to add muscle to the efforts to bring democrats to the table, they would include a provision in the debt ceiling legislation saying that lawmakers will not be paid if they do not pass a budget blueprint. was it right to step back from challenging the president over raising the debt ceiling? >> well, i think the house proposal is a step in the right direction. no doubt the senate hasn't done it's job. it's been nearly four years since it's passed a budget. but it doesn't go nearly far enough. we have a crisis. i just got back last week from afghanistan. and i had multiple servicemen and women clasp me on th
votes do provide a template for how, by the way, the debt ceiling might ultimately get raised. on the tax deal, house republican leaders had political cover from senate republicans. on sandy, chris christie provided the political cover, leaving house leaders, frankly, cowering. now the kotch brothers, through a group they backed, called americans for prosperity, are the latest to give boehner and other house leaders cover on the debt ceiling, as they get their rank and file to pick other political fights. tim phillips, president of americans for prosperity, told the financial times, quote, we're saying calibrate your message, focus on long-term spending instead of long-term debt. focusing on the debt ceiling makes the message more difficult. when i asked walden about the debt ceiling yesterday, he was clearly noncommittal, hinting on where the republican leadership maybe is on this. if there's not a majority in the house republican to raise the debt limit, but there is a majority in the house of representatives to raise a clean debt limit, would this leadership be willing to d
are going to talk about no more debt ceiling, get rid of it. outrageous. >> ridiculous. stuart: i think we're in agreement. >> we are, aggressive agreement. stuart: doug schoen, thank you very much. >> thank you, stuart. stuart: i've got the seven early movers for you. profits climb 23% as expected at bank of new york melon. the stock is up-- or down about a buck. the hand bag maker, vera brad lee raised its outlook, the women's clothing retailer, christopher and banks, expects higher sales and they're up. interactive brokers took in less than expected and they are down, the name of the company. printed circuit manufacturers, anticipating better than expected results and it's up. wendy's reports higher profits, there's a stocky know. gives an upbeat outlook, wendy's 12 cents higher. 2%. chipotle as we told you earlier, profits disappoint, it's down big. it was down 9% earlier and now it's down 7. $23 lower for chipotle and the dow is down 62. we just heard from doug schoen on new york state's new gun law requiring mental health professionals to report patient, if they cause harm. what abou
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for the president's dilemma on the debt ceiling. >> obama held the final press conference of the first term in office. he talked about the debt ceil saying if congress does not work with him to raise the debt ceiling america will be in default and we my have to sell florida. >> watch jimmy kimmel live weeknights right here on abc7 at the new time following abc7 news at 11 and "nightline" is on right after that. >> lebanese -- leave disneyland and the cracked crab >> welcome back on the 4th anniversary of "miracle on the hudson." "sully" sullenberger joins katie about the incredible emergency landing. >> of all people to be piloting that lane, thank goodness it was you. i get on a plane and i think, sully? anyone named sully on this plane. >> i appreciate that and when i travel as a passenger i have people recognize me and they say i feel better knowing you are here. >> i look for him in the cockpit, as well. that is katie at 3:00 p.m. right here on abc7. >> good show. >> 5:23. great mighting that day. amazing to see the pictures. >> now, outside, it is darn cold. >> do we want do? mike, wha
this is according to the white house. he's going to be focusing though on the debt ceiling. that will be his opening statement. now, the president has made repeated calls for congress to raise the limit without strings attached. we'll see how it goes. also likely to be mentioned in today's presidential news conference is the administration's push for gun control. today marked one month since the deadly shooting in newtown, connecticut. but vice president joe biden is expected to deliver his recommendations to the president tomorrow is holding one last meeting today with a dozen house democrats. as the gun control discussion takes center stage on capitol hill, the white house is already saying it will put its full force behind those proposals including what could be the toughest fight, the call to revibe the assault weapons ban. >> assault weapon ban is a tough one because it's hard to define what assault weapon is. and if we're just defining it by what it looks like, that doesn't do much for me. >> you think you have enough on capitol hill to keep an assault weapons ban fro
's expected to talk about the debt limit, the debt ceiling. that's in just about an hour and a half. when it happens, we'll bring it to you live. >>> the 20 million people of beijing, china, are enduring a fourth day of choking, hazardous air pollution. reports of respiratory problems and mask sales have sky rocketed. schoolchildren aren't able to play outdoors. many say it's worse than four years ago, while the officials in china claim the air quality has improved. >>> back here at home, water levels of the great lakes are expected to break the all time low sometime in the next few months. lake michigan and lake huron fell to record low levels in december. cargo ships are being forced to lighten their loads, and some harbors have already closed. >>> after three months of gas prices going down, they're now working their way back up. the lundberg survey saw the average price of a gallon of regular is $3.32. that's up more than 6 cents from three weeks earlier. >>> a couple of new american rides can now be called best in show. this morning at the north american international auto show, the
. something he didn't do in the fiscal cliff debate, nor in the last debt ceiling by. how speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell, for their part, conspicuously avoiding news cameras and silent at the administration's assault on the second amendment as it escalates. a backlash appears to be building in certain parts of the country. one republican congress gentleman requesting act unilaterally. and the state of texas introducing a measure that would make federal officials subject to prosecution. tonight we have the "a-team" to discuss the issue. in the sandy hook elementary school massacre rolling rock school safety and the idea of armed guards in schools across the country. one school district is not waiting for the president to act. karl cameron has the report. reporter: reporter: this steel town now has armed troopers guarding their public-school. >> the first reaction is to keep the kids at school say. >> whether we are right or wrong, we will do whatever it takes to protect the children. >> there is concern that any weapon in schools can create new risks. in july the more evidence that we
. >> well, good luck with tha >>> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. and water not a dead beat nation. >> sounds simple, doesn't it? but like so many other crises and standoffs from the past two years, raising the nation's debt ceiling is a zero sum props. somebody wins only if somebody else loses. we're speaking of of course politically here, not financially. economically it's hard to find any winners if the treasury can't close the budget gap. runs about $100 million every month. my next guest worries about it a lot. signor partner and managing director of the boston consulting group and author and columnist. so this becomes tricky for people tound, but essentially the debt ceiling, is it the kind of tool that anybody should be used in order to force people to be more austere in the way they spend in the future? >> well, it's a way to do it, but it's a very dangerous way to do it because we start playing with everybody in our economy eye lives. so if we hit the debt ceiling and we don't have a bill that changes
marker on that issue of the debt ceiling. will it hit of how much it can borrow. the president says that congress must raise it. he will not negotiate. it's their responsibility. that puts the president squarely at odds with the president. they'll demand spending cuts before raising that ceiling. the president will not engage in negotiates, period. it's simply congress's responsibility to act. >> he's ruled out any unilateral work-around. >>> an element of here we go again. >> it certainly does. so many times, back in august 2011, again, just before the end of this year, the president in pa major confrontation with congress over fiscal issues, taxes and spending and debt. >> you're looking at the door slightly ajarred to the green room, right next to the east room, and the president has been gathering there, we noticed that he postponed this press conference a couple of times this morning. a few delays. >> supposed to be around 11:15. we're almost half-hour after that. not quite. the president could face questions about personnel in the second term. he's facing a big fight with his
illustrate why we are going to have the big fights over the next couple of months to raise the debt ceiling and two-thirds of the republican caucuses voted for this. they want to send a message that they really, really needed it, that they want to cut spending for every doll they put out there, even on disaster relief, which historically has not been required to have an offset. >> and definitely has ruffled feathers in the last congress. all of our viewers i'm sure will rememb how new jersey governor chris christie didn't hold back in showing how angry he was at congress, the house, and specifically speaker boehner when the vote was delayed last time. listen to him. this is on january 2nd. >> new jersey deserves better than the due police tea we saw displayed last night. america deserves better than just another example of a government that has forgotten who is the to serve and why. 66 days and counting. shame on you. shame on congress. >> when you listen to that and when you listen to the house floor and sound bites before , s what you're saying why speaker boehner did what he did in the v
we did have the president speaking today making a case for the debt ceiling, but didn't really mention anything that it had to do with up coming spending in 2013. i imagine that was a bit of a point of contention for traders down there today. >> you know, what it really is is we see the story before -- we've seen the story before, now act one of a brand new debt ceiling game. the president didn't wait for the inauguration. he came out and of course what he's going to say is his past bills released the money, that's what should be done. he didn't answer a question in the press conference as to whether or not he has authority to just order that money released which was interesting. but the republicans, they told you on the revenue part of this bill what they were going to do is use the debt ceiling along with the sequester funds to try to reach a compromise where there's more spending. where there's more cuts in spending is what i'm trying to say. so what i thought today was a shot across the bow, i was very surprised the republicans didn't hold another conference to immediately
bypassing the debt ceiling -- on congress's behalf. >> democrats are urging the president to use executive order to say congress, i don't node to you raise the debt ceiling, i am going to do it on my own. i want everybody to know,utive order -- high is not the first president and won't be the last to use executive order. frankslinrosis velt passed 37 executive orders and clinton and reagan did 350-plus. i am talking about policy issues of significant magnitude that need to have a full public vetting. the american people need tock engaged in the process. we need hearing on the matter ogun control, specifically. and we really need to talk about mental health and how we as a society are not embracing people with mental health issues. that's a bigger conversation, i know, neil. >> neil: thank you for indulging all of this breaking news and being on top of it. we told you about the mulvaney amendment, matching dollar for dollar, any aide they are getting in like-minded cuts from discretionary spending. that was defeated, as expected on the flor of the house. to missouri running senator roy blun
to raise the debt ceiling. >> four top democrats that he should take it. sending a letter to the president. you have to take lawful steps to make sure the america doesn't trigger a global crisis. that is different story from seven years ago when the same four, each of them, voted against raising the debt limit. byron york has hit his limit. i think that is called hypocrisy which seems to be our theme but what do you make of it? >> that is one word you are hearing a lot. not only did they vote against it. harry reid, dick durbin, charles schumer and patty murray plus their fellow senators barack obama and joe boel in 2006 voted against increasing the debt limit. what senator obama said, it was very serious argument about how borrowing was killing america. the money spent on interested was taking money away that that could be spent on infrastructure disaster relief. the money we borrowed from foreign countries was making us vulnerable to the whims of foreign leaders whose prerogatives is not the same as ours. borrowing weakenings us and i will not vote to increase the nation's debt limit. >>
for raising the debt ceiling. the house of representatives is back in session today, too, and republicans are just as adamant, insisting they won't raise the debt limit, unless the president goes along with spending cuts. let's go live to cnn white house correspondent brianna keilar. >> reporter: president obama stating very clearly today that he will not negotiate deficit reduction, tax increases and spending cuts attached to the debt ceiling. this of course does follow that bruising battle the year before last, where he did negotiate on the issue, and the u.s. nearly went to the brink of default. he said that congress has to pay the bills that it's already racked up. >> you don't go out to dinner and then, you know, eat all you want and then leave without paying the check. and if you do, you're breaking the law. and congress should think about it the same way that the american people do. you don't -- now, if congress want, to have a debate about maybe we shouldn't go out to dinner next time, maybe we should go to a more modest restaurant, that's fine. that's the debate that we should ha
pay that for us? that would be helpful. democrats say they think we should get rid of the debt ceiling all together because it is difficult to bum up against that. art laffer with thoughts on that. bill: will have a lot of thoughts. the nra responds in turn and the group's president will be here live for us this morning. >> we will nullify anything the president does that smacks of legislation. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. martha: so it is thursday. that means we get brand new jobs numbers from the labor department. the number of americans seeking unemployment benefits fell by 37,000 last week. that is a seasonally adjusted number of 335,000 for unemployment. that is the lowest level since january of 2008, just before the recession began but this seemingly sharp improvement in the labor market may be a little bit misled leading. jobless numbers in january can be erratic. employers re
momentarily. a day after president obama told congress to raise the debt ceiling without delay, we are getting a similar warn from this leading credit rating agencies. reporting that fail tower increase the debt limit in time could cost the country's credit rating. s&p stripped the u.s. of its triple-a rating after the disaster over the debt in 2011. members of congress are asking for spending cuts to go along with the increase in the borrowing authority. but the president insists they are two separate issues. what is happening in washington, d.c.? >> reporter: house speaker john boehner says the american do not support raising the debt ceiling without cutting spending at the same time. boehner calls the debt an anchor on our economy. here's the leading senate republican, making his point. >> it's sort of like you have a kid who exceeds the credit card limit. you tear up the credit card, but you look at the spending. the republicans are willing to pay for past bills. these are about future bills. the president is missing the point that we are on an unsustainable path. >> reporter: portman ackn
raising the debt ceiling gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficit spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family that's trying to improve its credit rating. families that say, i know how we can save money, we won't pay her credit card bills. it was the sole solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 in the u.s. downgraded last time. so all these issues are important and it's very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where government doesn't pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in a deal, it certainly went part way, but leaves a number of issues still on the table. would you care to raise that as an additional fiscal cliff that is facing us? would you think that it's not as concerning as it was when you raise that term initially? >> as i said the fiscal cliff, if it is allowed to take place, it probably would have traded a recession this year. a good bit of that has been a
and not do our job which is unforgivable as a way to make these policies. second, you have the debt ceiling. it is the wrong thing to hold the country hostage. it's also going to be a play we know there's could be a fight over the debt ceiling. in the past the debt ceiling reminded folks we were borrowing too much and we needed to make changes. it could be a useful reminder not if it goes as far as people really start to worry about in the u.s. government and economic damage which is what we saw last time. the third piece of the resolution the fact that government spending is going to expire and these three issues is another kind of fiscal cliff and the question is is it going to force action with the hardest pieces that are still remaining were the fact when it comes to the fiscal clef they still for all intensive purposes it's good we didn't go over the fiscal cliff, it's good we raise revenue, but we basically did what we always do in washington which is we punted all the hard choices and a sort of tried to declare a bipartisan victory. but it wasn't theirs of the question was what's goi
to negotiate with republicans about raising the debt ceiling. >> if the republicans in congress have made a decision that they want to shut down the government in order to get their way, then they have a vote in the house of representatives to do that. >> the problem, that's what they say they're going to do. great to see you birthday. david, the president himself saying, i acknowledge it, a government shut-down is a possibility. cathy mcmorris rogers of washington state told politico, i think it's possible we would shut down the government. so here we are, we're getting to a problem. treasury secretary tim gietner said mid-february/march is as far as he can go. who blinks first? >> this is like one of the situations in the monkey cage at the zoo where the monkeys bang their chole their chests and look as powerful as possible. the president is escalating this situation. no 14th amendment option. do it my way or we plunge the public credit of the united states into bankruptcy. and the republicans are responding equivalently by saying to the president, we're not scared. we're not scared of
-imposed thing coming up is a debt ceiling, something americans have not heard of before two years ago. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have party been racked up, and we need to pay them. so while i am willing to compromise and find common ground for how to reduce the deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social security checks, veterans benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops or honor our contracts with small-business owners. food inspectors, air traffic controllers, specialists who track down loose nuclear materials would not get their paychecks. investors around the world will ask if the united states of america is in fact a safe bet. markets could go haywire. interest rates would spike for anyone who
yesterday talking about the debt limit, debt ceiling. he's talked about our economy. i think it's worth noting that since 1923, when the president was required to furnish a budget in a time deadline given for furnishing that budget, 90 years, 90 years the president is required by law to furnish a budget. since 1923 those, those ensuing 90 years, there were apparently 11 times when presidents have been unable to get the budget to congress as required by law. and most of those -- well, some of those 11, there were very good reasons. but it's interesting to note in the last 90 years, out of the 11 times that the budget from the president has been late, four of those 11 have been under the obama administration. we're also informed that there is a chance once again, like there was a year and a half ago, that our credit rating of the u.s. could be lowered again. by another credit rating agency. some have tried to paint it as a different story, different picture, but for those of us who recall what happened, s&p made it clear that they didn't believe that the united states was serious about de
these crises. this is coming up again in february when it's going to be time to raise the nation's debt ceiling, and there's no clear path in during that at this point. it will happen in march when they have to extend government funding, and will the government shut down if they don't? these budget battles will continue to find congress, and there's really no way out, so if we -- if congress can't resolve a lot of these issues, you probably bet that that approval rating will be and will go even lower if that's possible. >> it is possible. the numbers, as we're looking at it just a moment ago, manu and meredith, hit in the 10% range not too long ago. the question is will they go single digit? on abc this week senator joe manchin had some things to say about getting things done in both chambers. listen to this, and i'll get your reaction. >> okay. >> i've yet to have a bipartisan meeting that's been organized where republicans and democrats in the senate sit down and work through their problems. think about just in the senate we don't have that type of dialogue going on from democrats and republi
more people care about that issue than the debt ceiling. >> bill: they get too full of themselves. the problem with the front row particularly the press corps is they represent different networks. they all want to talk about let's say, for example guns. they all want to be on camera asking the question about guns and it doesn't matter if somebody else has already asked the question five different times in five different ways, they're still going to ask it so they can get on camera. that's what's wrong with the press briefings. >> thank you very much for your tweet. >> if you go to the newseum web site and you look at what the country is talking about it is a rich quilt of different issues, different ideas that people around this country are discussing. and the washington press corps questions of one or two topics doesn't even big to cover -- begin to cover what reporters around this country are reporting on, talking about. that disconnect is really jarring, i think. >> bill: it is jarring. i remember as a reporter in los angeles and a comment tater in los angeles, covering preside
again. another recession if congress balks at raising the debt ceiling. that's right. those two words, we're all using them again. debt ceiling. this time around, the president is telling house republicans they can do it his way or own the blame. here he was. >> and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> also, need to tell you the president did speak about his gun violence effort. he's had the package put together by the vice president is on his desk today. and he will talk about it a little later on this week. want to bring in two people here, ali velshi with me from new york, and gloria borger there in our nation's capital, to you both welcome. ali, it has been more than a year since that whole previous debt limit debacle. and i know you are saying, especially comparing this to what we just saw on new year's day with the fiscal cliff, this is going to be much,
and pushing us up against the debt ceiling. but remarkably, president obama is now calling for even more taxes, more spending, and more borrowing in return for any future spending controls. he said yesterday that we can't finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone. simply put, the president got his tax increases in the last congress. it's time for this congress to tackle washington's spending bing. i'd like to recognize the gentlelady from indiana. >> mr. chairman, my message otoday is simple. on too many big items, congress has been kicking the can down the road for years. it's time to supply real leadership on the most pressing challenges we face. this is the only way we can restore trust in congress. we're fast approaching a dead end. the social security trust fund will be bankrupt in 20 years. medicare and medicaid are not on a sustainable path. it is wrong for us to make proppingses to the american people we know we cannot keep. ms. brooks: we must address the drivers of our debt, medicare, medicaid, an social security. not because these programs don't have merit and
the debt ceiling. fitch said the pressure on the aaa is, if anything, increasing. >>> we are four hours away from facebook's secret announcement in menlo park. so far, the guesses range from a facebook search engine to a facebook phone. would either product help lift the stock back with a high water mark. >>> the debate kicks off whether dell can, a, raise the money to go private, and b, reinvent itself without going through cash flow. the journal said the talks have been serious for weeks. >>> lululemon doing a downward dog this morning. raises guidance but not enough to impress investors. >>> the battle over the debt ceiling has warranted a warning from fitch. they said it will prompt a formal review of u.s. credit ratings. fitch does add it expects congress will ultimately approve a ceiling increase. the head of global sovereign ratings for fitch, david riley, will join us in the next hour. bernanke weighing in on the debt ceiling in michigan late yesterday. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills.
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